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Why Don't Kids Do Chores Anymore?
From: "fgoodwin"
Date: 30 Apr 2006 11:22:47 -0700
Why Don't Kids Do Chores Anymore? http://www.careerjournal.com/myc/workfamily/20050701-opdyke.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/gwrn8 By Jeff Opdyke >From The Wall Street Journal Online When I was growing up, I spent many summer days struggling to shove abulky Toro mower through the thick mat of grass that was my yard. Thatwas my main weekly chore. I pushed that same mower around theneighborhood with my buddy, Mike, hawking lawn-cutting services for $10a yard. I mention this because I've noticed something peculiar while drivingaround town in recent weeks: Though it's summer, I've yet to see asingle kid out mowing a lawn. I don't see any kid-produced signsoffering mowing services. I see teams of lawn-maintenance workersneatly tending yards...but no kids. It's not just lawns, mind you. During our time in New Jersey, I don'trecall seeing any kids raking leaves in the fall. In three years not asingle kid stopped by our house offering to shovel the snow off thedriveway. I never hear my son's friends lamenting the chores they'recharged with after school or on weekends. All they ever do is ridebikes or dash off to this practice or that game or some camp. I don't blame the kids. I blame the parents. To put it bluntly: We've gone soft. Partly, I think, we remember howmuch we hated the chores when we were younger. Partly we feel guiltyabout all the time we spend working. Partly we're just too lazy andit's easier to hire somebody than force our kids to do it. Whatever thereason, many of us are slacking off when it comes to imposing on ourkids the same sorts of obligations our parents required of us. In watching my son water some plants for me the other day -- meaning,watching him barely sprinkle the plants amid his goofball antics withthe hose and an anthill -- I realized that it's time to reverse thetrend. Child-labor laws be damned, it's time my son went to work. * * * I don't recall how old I was when my grandfather -- who, with mygrandmother, raised me -- started asking me to cut the grass, thoughI'm pretty sure I was about 9 or 10. I remember in second grade helpinghim in the garden and with odds and ends around the house. I alsoremember hating it: I would much rather have been down the streetplaying with my friends, or inside watching Scooby Doo on a Saturdaymorning. Occasionally, he might give me a couple of dollars for myeffort, though usually he just patted me on the back and said, "Goodjob, buddy." Looking back on those days, I realize now what my grandfather wastrying to teach me then: that you must establish a work ethic; you mustlearn to take care of your property; you can't always expect money forsimply helping the family; and you must earn through an honest day'swork what you want in this life. I can't say that I've sent an equally meaningful message to my own sonup to this point. In fact, the message I'm sending is pretty much theopposite. For instance, we have a lawn-service guy who cuts the grass and edgesthe yard for $35 every week or two. I hired him because I don't havethe time on weekends, between writing and rehabbing an old house Ibought with a friend. The amount of money I can make on thoseactivities far surpasses what I pay the lawn guy to cut my grass. Yet I'm beginning to see that the cost of hiring somebody to cut mygrass goes beyond that $35. This is the first house we've owned -- andwe've owned six -- where I haven't done the yard work. What my son seesis his mom and me paying someone else to do what we could do instead.So, I imagine he figures: "Why should I do what Mom and Dad won't?" Traces of that come out when he's assigned a small chore. He gets boredquickly and begins to play, and soon drops the task all together. Itisn't a priority for him because I haven't instilled in him that itshould be a priority. A couple of weeks ago, for example, I asked him to water some daylilies we had just planted. I watched him through the window: He spentabout a minute on that duty, then began spraying an anthill, stirringup the ants and watching them busily try to preserve and rebuild theirmound. When that lost his attention, he turned off the water, left thehose splayed across the yard and came inside to watch cartoons -- whilethe day lilies wilted in the heat. I know I've got company here. Not only do I see it in the absence ofkids cutting grass and raking leaves and shoveling snow, but I alsohear it from friends I talk to. Lots of parents don't force their kidsto do much work around the house. Why, though? Why do we let our kidsshirk the same responsibilities we once had? I can think of a few reasons... * * * Perhaps the key reason is that we live in an age that's moretouchy-feely. Many parents -- and I concede that I am one of them --are more lenient and less authoritarian than were our parents. When Iwas a child, my grandparents gave me a chore and they expected me to doit. Period. These days, Mom and Dad aren't so much setting the rules asthey are negotiating with their kids. And kids learn to negotiatethemselves out of tasks they don't want to be burdened with at themoment. But that isn't the only reason. It's also a question of money: Many ofus have more of it than our parents did when they were raising us. Ifwe can hire somebody to cut the grass every two weeks for less moneythan we'd spend on one dinner out, why not? Also, so many kids are overscheduled these days. They have soccerpractice and tennis lessons and dance class. By the time they get home,there are barely enough hours for homework and dinner. Who has time toweed the garden? And then there's guilt. More couples both work nowadays, often logginglong hours. That leaves us anxious not to waste those precious hours wedo have for our kids. Chores, we rationalize, are inconvenient when wecould be doing something as a family. So there are lots of reasons, many of them valid. But I'm convincedthat none of them are good enough, and I'm going to change thingsaround my house. My son isn't quite old enough to push a lawnmower across the yard yet,but he is old enough to help me weed the many flower beds we have. He'salso old enough to rake leaves in the fall, to help me change the oilin the cars and to help me wash the dishes at night -- all of whichwill soon be on his to-do list. I may decide to pay him a littlesomething for a few of those chores, since some of them are beyond whatI view as weekly obligations. For the most part, though, I'll just pat him on the back and say, "Goodjob, buddy." -- July 01, 2005
From: "Jeff"
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:34:10 GMT
Children don't do as many chores because their parents don't make them do chores. Jeff
From: "R. Steve Walz"
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 00:56:56 GMT
Jeff wrote:> > Children don't do as many chores because their parents don't make them do> chores.> > Jeff---------------And that's because most of the authoritarian assholes who dreamedof their child-slaves in servitude to them are dead. Good riddance.Mow your own fucking lawn, old shit, or put in a rock garden. Do your own hobby, shithead, and leave others to theirs! More fuckingsick old fucked white male re-empowerment whining by the OP ofthis thread.Steve
From: "Jeff"
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 01:22:53 GMT
"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message news:44555DAB.3819@armory.com...> Jeff wrote:>>>> Children don't do as many chores because their parents don't make them do>> chores.>>>> Jeff> ---------------> And that's because most of the authoritarian assholes who dreamed> of their child-slaves in servitude to them are dead. Good riddance.> Mow your own fucking lawn, old shit, or put in a rock garden. Do> your own hobby, shithead, and leave others to theirs! More fucking> sick old fucked white male re-empowerment whining by the OP of> this thread.> Steve It seems you have a little anger issue. Perhaps a therapist will help you. Jeff
From: "R. Steve Walz"
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 01:27:09 GMT
Jeff wrote:> > "R. Steve Walz" wrote in message> news:44555DAB.3819@armory.com...> > Jeff wrote:> >>> >> Children don't do as many chores because their parents don't make them do> >> chores.> >>> >> Jeff> > ---------------> > And that's because most of the authoritarian assholes who dreamed> > of their child-slaves in servitude to them are dead. Good riddance.> > Mow your own fucking lawn, old shit, or put in a rock garden. Do> > your own hobby, shithead, and leave others to theirs! More fucking> > sick old fucked white male re-empowerment whining by the OP of> > this thread.> > Steve> > It seems you have a little anger issue. Perhaps a therapist will > help you.> > Jeff-------------------Trying to discredit me psychologically is your disingenuous cop-out. YOU just didn't like someone blowing your supposed logic all to shitlike I did. You had failed to include an analysis of lawns and theirvery existence as a class weapon. I protrayed underlcass angst quiteaccurately.Steve
From: "Sue"
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:19:20 -0400
The recommendation is to not let children mow grass because of the danger ofcutting off limbs and/or accidents.-- Sue (mom to three girls) "fgoodwin" wrote in messagenews:1146421367.906903.75210@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...> Why Don't Kids Do Chores Anymore?>> http://www.careerjournal.com/myc/workfamily/20050701-opdyke.html> http://tinyurl.com/gwrn8>> By Jeff Opdyke>> >From The Wall Street Journal Online>> When I was growing up, I spent many summer days struggling to shove a> bulky Toro mower through the thick mat of grass that was my yard. That> was my main weekly chore. I pushed that same mower around the> neighborhood with my buddy, Mike, hawking lawn-cutting services for $10> a yard.>> I mention this because I've noticed something peculiar while driving> around town in recent weeks: Though it's summer, I've yet to see a> single kid out mowing a lawn. I don't see any kid-produced signs> offering mowing services. I see teams of lawn-maintenance workers> neatly tending yards...but no kids.>> It's not just lawns, mind you. During our time in New Jersey, I don't> recall seeing any kids raking leaves in the fall. In three years not a> single kid stopped by our house offering to shovel the snow off the> driveway. I never hear my son's friends lamenting the chores they're> charged with after school or on weekends. All they ever do is ride> bikes or dash off to this practice or that game or some camp.>> I don't blame the kids. I blame the parents.>> To put it bluntly: We've gone soft. Partly, I think, we remember how> much we hated the chores when we were younger. Partly we feel guilty> about all the time we spend working. Partly we're just too lazy and> it's easier to hire somebody than force our kids to do it. Whatever the> reason, many of us are slacking off when it comes to imposing on our> kids the same sorts of obligations our parents required of us.>> In watching my son water some plants for me the other day -- meaning,> watching him barely sprinkle the plants amid his goofball antics with> the hose and an anthill -- I realized that it's time to reverse the> trend. Child-labor laws be damned, it's time my son went to work.>> * * *>> I don't recall how old I was when my grandfather -- who, with my> grandmother, raised me -- started asking me to cut the grass, though> I'm pretty sure I was about 9 or 10. I remember in second grade helping> him in the garden and with odds and ends around the house. I also> remember hating it: I would much rather have been down the street> playing with my friends, or inside watching Scooby Doo on a Saturday> morning. Occasionally, he might give me a couple of dollars for my> effort, though usually he just patted me on the back and said, "Good> job, buddy.">> Looking back on those days, I realize now what my grandfather was> trying to teach me then: that you must establish a work ethic; you must> learn to take care of your property; you can't always expect money for> simply helping the family; and you must earn through an honest day's> work what you want in this life.>> I can't say that I've sent an equally meaningful message to my own son> up to this point. In fact, the message I'm sending is pretty much the> opposite.>> For instance, we have a lawn-service guy who cuts the grass and edges> the yard for $35 every week or two. I hired him because I don't have> the time on weekends, between writing and rehabbing an old house I> bought with a friend. The amount of money I can make on those> activities far surpasses what I pay the lawn guy to cut my grass.>> Yet I'm beginning to see that the cost of hiring somebody to cut my> grass goes beyond that $35. This is the first house we've owned -- and> we've owned six -- where I haven't done the yard work. What my son sees> is his mom and me paying someone else to do what we could do instead.> So, I imagine he figures: "Why should I do what Mom and Dad won't?">> Traces of that come out when he's assigned a small chore. He gets bored> quickly and begins to play, and soon drops the task all together. It> isn't a priority for him because I haven't instilled in him that it> should be a priority.>> A couple of weeks ago, for example, I asked him to water some day> lilies we had just planted. I watched him through the window: He spent> about a minute on that duty, then began spraying an anthill, stirring> up the ants and watching them busily try to preserve and rebuild their> mound. When that lost his attention, he turned off the water, left the> hose splayed across the yard and came inside to watch cartoons -- while> the day lilies wilted in the heat.>> I know I've got company here. Not only do I see it in the absence of> kids cutting grass and raking leaves and shoveling snow, but I also> hear it from friends I talk to. Lots of parents don't force their kids> to do much work around the house. Why, though? Why do we let our kids> shirk the same responsibilities we once had?>> I can think of a few reasons...>> * * *>> Perhaps the key reason is that we live in an age that's more> touchy-feely. Many parents -- and I concede that I am one of them --> are more lenient and less authoritarian than were our parents. When I> was a child, my grandparents gave me a chore and they expected me to do> it. Period. These days, Mom and Dad aren't so much setting the rules as> they are negotiating with their kids. And kids learn to negotiate> themselves out of tasks they don't want to be burdened with at the> moment.>> But that isn't the only reason. It's also a question of money: Many of> us have more of it than our parents did when they were raising us. If> we can hire somebody to cut the grass every two weeks for less money> than we'd spend on one dinner out, why not?>> Also, so many kids are overscheduled these days. They have soccer> practice and tennis lessons and dance class. By the time they get home,> there are barely enough hours for homework and dinner. Who has time to> weed the garden?>> And then there's guilt. More couples both work nowadays, often logging> long hours. That leaves us anxious not to waste those precious hours we> do have for our kids. Chores, we rationalize, are inconvenient when we> could be doing something as a family.>> So there are lots of reasons, many of them valid. But I'm convinced> that none of them are good enough, and I'm going to change things> around my house.>> My son isn't quite old enough to push a lawnmower across the yard yet,> but he is old enough to help me weed the many flower beds we have. He's> also old enough to rake leaves in the fall, to help me change the oil> in the cars and to help me wash the dishes at night -- all of which> will soon be on his to-do list. I may decide to pay him a little> something for a few of those chores, since some of them are beyond what> I view as weekly obligations.>> For the most part, though, I'll just pat him on the back and say, "Good> job, buddy.">> -- July 01, 2005>
From: "fgoodwin"
Date: 30 Apr 2006 15:14:22 -0700
Sue wrote:> The recommendation is to not let children mow grass because of the danger of> cutting off limbs and/or accidents. I began mowing lawns when I was about ten years old, and never had aproblem, even with equipment (early 60s vintage) that wasn't nearly assafe as today's models. I think parents today don't give kids enough credit -- if taught how touse mowers & trimmers properly, there's no reason a boy 10, 11 or 12couldn't handle them safely. If we could it do it back then, why can't they do it now?
From: Deuteros
Date: 30 Apr 2006 22:28:35 GMT
"fgoodwin" wrote innews:1146435262.721126.10760@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com: > Sue wrote:>>> The recommendation is to not let children mow grass because of the>> danger of cutting off limbs and/or accidents.> > I began mowing lawns when I was about ten years old, and never had a> problem, even with equipment (early 60s vintage) that wasn't nearly as> safe as today's models.> > I think parents today don't give kids enough credit -- if taught how to> use mowers & trimmers properly, there's no reason a boy 10, 11 or 12> couldn't handle them safely.> > If we could it do it back then, why can't they do it now? Because today's parents are idiots and think their kids will die if theyscrape a knee.
From: "Myrl Jeffcoat"
Date: 30 Apr 2006 18:04:58 -0700
Raising kids today, is like trying to nail Jello to a tree;-) Myrl Jeffcoathttp://www.myrljeffcoat.com
From: "R. Steve Walz"
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 01:20:29 GMT
Myrl Jeffcoat wrote:> > Raising kids today, is like trying to nail Jello to a tree;-)> > Myrl Jeffcoat---------------------No, programming them is. They do fine if you keep your damagedbullshit from your OWN abuse as a child to YOURSELF!Steve
From: "Myrl Jeffcoat"
Date: 30 Apr 2006 18:34:18 -0700
Well, I'm a grandmother now, and I'm loving it! I had 4 children, and I was very very lucky. They got the "sweetgenes" of their father;-) You are so right about keeping your own BS to yourself!. . .For themost part though, I had good parents! I think my love of gardening comes from my mother's gift for takingtroubled times out in to the garden, and grounding them into the soil. There was always such a calm that would come over me when we would beout there together! There is such a thing as "backyard Nirvana." Myrl Jeffcoathttp://www.myrljeffcoat.com
From: "Sue"
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:58:55 -0400
"fgoodwin" wrote in message> I began mowing lawns when I was about ten years old, and never had a> problem, even with equipment (early 60s vintage) that wasn't nearly as> safe as today's models.>> I think parents today don't give kids enough credit -- if taught how to> use mowers & trimmers properly, there's no reason a boy 10, 11 or 12> couldn't handle them safely.>> If we could it do it back then, why can't they do it now? This recommendation came from Wright and Fillipis who make prosthesis forpeople who have lost limbs. They were very adament that children under 12 (Ibelieve) not mow the lawn. Lawn mowers are extremely heavy and childrencannot manage them properly, nor do they have the maturity to handlethemselves in an emergency. We used to drive in cars without seat belts when we were kids, does thatmean we shouldn't put our kids in seat belts anymore?-- Sue (mom to three girls)
From: "fgoodwin"
Date: 30 Apr 2006 18:41:18 -0700
Sue wrote:> "fgoodwin" wrote in message> > I began mowing lawns when I was about ten years old, and never had> > a problem, even with equipment (early 60s vintage) that wasn't> > nearly as safe as today's models.> >> > I think parents today don't give kids enough credit -- if taught how> > to use mowers & trimmers properly, there's no reason a boy 10, 11 or> > 12 couldn't handle them safely.> >> > If we could it do it back then, why can't they do it now?>> This recommendation came from Wright and Fillipis who make prosthesis> for people who have lost limbs. They were very adament that children> under 12 (I believe) not mow the lawn. Lawn mowers are extremely heavy> and children cannot manage them properly, nor do they have the> maturity to handle themselves in an emergency. My son is 12 and handles both our lawnmower and trimmer just fine.I've shown him how to use both properly. I've heard about peoplelosing limbs to lawnmowers -- that usually happens when either dothings the mower wasn't designed to do, or otherwise use the mowerimproperly. Children should be properly supervised, but once they learn how, like Isaid, there's no reason they can't do it. > We used to drive in cars without seat belts when we were kids, does> that mean we shouldn't put our kids in seat belts anymore? Not sure what your point is -- seat belts are for safety, and I supporttheir use 100%.
From: "R. Steve Walz"
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 01:08:02 GMT
fgoodwin wrote:> > Sue wrote:> > The recommendation is to not let children mow grass because of the danger of> > cutting off limbs and/or accidents.> > I began mowing lawns when I was about ten years old, and never had a> problem, even with equipment (early 60s vintage) that wasn't nearly as> safe as today's models.> > I think parents today don't give kids enough credit -- if taught how to> use mowers & trimmers properly, there's no reason a boy 10, 11 or 12> couldn't handle them safely.> > If we could it do it back then, why can't they do it now?-------------------They CAN, they just don't WANT to, and THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO! The people who fucked with their children's lives by enslavingthem to that shit were WRONG and EVIL! Let those shits do theirOWN hobby instead of searching for slaves to do their hobby FORthem, or else NOT HAVE SUCH A STUPID FUCKING HOBBY!! NOBODY NEEDSa damned manicured lawn, it's a waste of land and is useless!Let others grow vegetables on that land if these piece of richshit can't think of anything to do with it! If they want a damnedgrassy manicured park let them pay their taxes and support a huge decent park system that we can ALL enjoy!Steve
From: "Jeff"
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:39:57 GMT
"Sue" wrote in message news:LJqdnU1ig5wokMjZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@wideopenwest.com...> The recommendation is to not let children mow grass because of the danger > of> cutting off limbs and/or accidents. I think the recommendation is that kids under 12 not be allowed to use them. Unfortunately, not all people follow the recommendations, resulting in more injuries than is necessary. Jeff
From: Carl 1 Lucky Texan
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:06:14 GMT
fgoodwin wrote: > Why Don't Kids Do Chores Anymore?> > http://www.careerjournal.com/myc/workfamily/20050701-opdyke.html> http://tinyurl.com/gwrn8> > By Jeff Opdyke> >>From The Wall Street Journal Online> > When I was growing up, I spent many summer days struggling to shove a> bulky Toro mower through the thick mat of grass that was my yard. That> was my main weekly chore. I pushed that same mower around the> neighborhood with my buddy, Mike, hawking lawn-cutting services for $10> a yard.> > I mention this because I've noticed something peculiar while driving> around town in recent weeks: Though it's summer, I've yet to see a> single kid out mowing a lawn. I don't see any kid-produced signs> offering mowing services. I see teams of lawn-maintenance workers> neatly tending yards...but no kids.> > It's not just lawns, mind you. During our time in New Jersey, I don't> recall seeing any kids raking leaves in the fall. In three years not a> single kid stopped by our house offering to shovel the snow off the> driveway. I never hear my son's friends lamenting the chores they're> charged with after school or on weekends. All they ever do is ride> bikes or dash off to this practice or that game or some camp.> > I don't blame the kids. I blame the parents.> > To put it bluntly: We've gone soft. Partly, I think, we remember how> much we hated the chores when we were younger. Partly we feel guilty> about all the time we spend working. Partly we're just too lazy and> it's easier to hire somebody than force our kids to do it. Whatever the> reason, many of us are slacking off when it comes to imposing on our> kids the same sorts of obligations our parents required of us.> > In watching my son water some plants for me the other day -- meaning,> watching him barely sprinkle the plants amid his goofball antics with> the hose and an anthill -- I realized that it's time to reverse the> trend. Child-labor laws be damned, it's time my son went to work.> > * * *> > I don't recall how old I was when my grandfather -- who, with my> grandmother, raised me -- started asking me to cut the grass, though> I'm pretty sure I was about 9 or 10. I remember in second grade helping> him in the garden and with odds and ends around the house. I also> remember hating it: I would much rather have been down the street> playing with my friends, or inside watching Scooby Doo on a Saturday> morning. Occasionally, he might give me a couple of dollars for my> effort, though usually he just patted me on the back and said, "Good> job, buddy."> > Looking back on those days, I realize now what my grandfather was> trying to teach me then: that you must establish a work ethic; you must> learn to take care of your property; you can't always expect money for> simply helping the family; and you must earn through an honest day's> work what you want in this life.> > I can't say that I've sent an equally meaningful message to my own son> up to this point. In fact, the message I'm sending is pretty much the> opposite.> > For instance, we have a lawn-service guy who cuts the grass and edges> the yard for $35 every week or two. I hired him because I don't have> the time on weekends, between writing and rehabbing an old house I> bought with a friend. The amount of money I can make on those> activities far surpasses what I pay the lawn guy to cut my grass.> > Yet I'm beginning to see that the cost of hiring somebody to cut my> grass goes beyond that $35. This is the first house we've owned -- and> we've owned six -- where I haven't done the yard work. What my son sees> is his mom and me paying someone else to do what we could do instead.> So, I imagine he figures: "Why should I do what Mom and Dad won't?"> > Traces of that come out when he's assigned a small chore. He gets bored> quickly and begins to play, and soon drops the task all together. It> isn't a priority for him because I haven't instilled in him that it> should be a priority.> > A couple of weeks ago, for example, I asked him to water some day> lilies we had just planted. I watched him through the window: He spent> about a minute on that duty, then began spraying an anthill, stirring> up the ants and watching them busily try to preserve and rebuild their> mound. When that lost his attention, he turned off the water, left the> hose splayed across the yard and came inside to watch cartoons -- while> the day lilies wilted in the heat.> > I know I've got company here. Not only do I see it in the absence of> kids cutting grass and raking leaves and shoveling snow, but I also> hear it from friends I talk to. Lots of parents don't force their kids> to do much work around the house. Why, though? Why do we let our kids> shirk the same responsibilities we once had?> > I can think of a few reasons...> > * * *> > Perhaps the key reason is that we live in an age that's more> touchy-feely. Many parents -- and I concede that I am one of them --> are more lenient and less authoritarian than were our parents. When I> was a child, my grandparents gave me a chore and they expected me to do> it. Period. These days, Mom and Dad aren't so much setting the rules as> they are negotiating with their kids. And kids learn to negotiate> themselves out of tasks they don't want to be burdened with at the> moment.> > But that isn't the only reason. It's also a question of money: Many of> us have more of it than our parents did when they were raising us. If> we can hire somebody to cut the grass every two weeks for less money> than we'd spend on one dinner out, why not?> > Also, so many kids are overscheduled these days. They have soccer> practice and tennis lessons and dance class. By the time they get home,> there are barely enough hours for homework and dinner. Who has time to> weed the garden?> > And then there's guilt. More couples both work nowadays, often logging> long hours. That leaves us anxious not to waste those precious hours we> do have for our kids. Chores, we rationalize, are inconvenient when we> could be doing something as a family.> > So there are lots of reasons, many of them valid. But I'm convinced> that none of them are good enough, and I'm going to change things> around my house.> > My son isn't quite old enough to push a lawnmower across the yard yet,> but he is old enough to help me weed the many flower beds we have. He's> also old enough to rake leaves in the fall, to help me change the oil> in the cars and to help me wash the dishes at night -- all of which> will soon be on his to-do list. I may decide to pay him a little> something for a few of those chores, since some of them are beyond what> I view as weekly obligations.> > For the most part, though, I'll just pat him on the back and say, "Good> job, buddy."> > -- July 01, 2005> That's what illegal immigrants are for - the modern child's best friend! Carl -- to reply, change ( .not) to ( .net)
From: "Chas Hurst"
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:07:15 -0400
"Carl 1 Lucky Texan" wrote in message news:aF95g.64150$_S7.40295@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...> fgoodwin wrote:>>>> That's what illegal immigrants are for - the modern child's best friend!>> Carl My thought too. Not far away from me, they gather at a corner in the morning and most find jobs every day.
From: "R. Steve Walz"
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 01:03:43 GMT
Chas Hurst wrote:> > "Carl 1 Lucky Texan" wrote in message> news:aF95g.64150$_S7.40295@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...> > fgoodwin wrote:> >>> >> > That's what illegal immigrants are for - the modern child's best friend!> >> > Carl> > My thought too. Not far away from me, they gather at a corner in the morning> and most find jobs every day.-------------And so should YOU!Steve
From: "R. Steve Walz"
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 01:03:16 GMT
Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:> > fgoodwin wrote:> > > Why Don't Kids Do Chores Anymore?> > That's what illegal immigrants are for - the modern child's best friend!> > Carl------------------They shouldn't have to do that shit, hell NOBODY should have to dothat shit just for old over-empowered rich white fucks who wanta stupid putting green in their front yard either. The stupid oldwhite fucks should have to do it themselves! Who said these asswipesDESERVED a golf course for a yard! Why don't they plant more treesor grow vegetables? Most of all why don't they fucking do theirown fucking hobby themselves, instead of searching for slaves todo it FOR them! Lazy shits! They should have their wealth removedon threat of death and be made to do actual productive work onassembly lines and see if THEY want a garden hobby when they getdone every day, eh? Fuck 'em in the ass.Steve
From: Carl 1 Lucky Texan
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 03:13:31 GMT
R. Steve Walz wrote:> Carl 1 Lucky Texan wrote:> >>fgoodwin wrote:>>>>>>>Why Don't Kids Do Chores Anymore?>>>>That's what illegal immigrants are for - the modern child's best friend!>>>>Carl> > ------------------> They shouldn't have to do that shit, hell NOBODY should have to do> that shit just for old over-empowered rich white fucks who want> a stupid putting green in their front yard either. The stupid old> white fucks should have to do it themselves! Who said these asswipes> DESERVED a golf course for a yard! Why don't they plant more trees> or grow vegetables? Most of all why don't they fucking do their> own fucking hobby themselves, instead of searching for slaves to> do it FOR them! Lazy shits! They should have their wealth removed> on threat of death and be made to do actual productive work on> assembly lines and see if THEY want a garden hobby when they get> done every day, eh? Fuck 'em in the ass.> Steve WHAT! You want them to pay someone to plant trees and harvest veggies? What do have against grasses? Are you some kinda plant 'species-ist'? What did grass ever do to you?You are so entertaining! Thanx for posting and please continue. Carl -- to reply, change ( .not) to ( .net)
From: "R. Steve Walz"
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 00:54:09 GMT
fgoodwin wrote:> > Why Don't Kids Do Chores Anymore?---------------------Because most of the authoritarian right-wing shit like you, whoimagine that everybody should do what YOU want them to do for YOUinstead of what THEY want for themselves, are dead. Go eat shitand die.Steve
From: LAdezio@gmail.com
Date: 30 Apr 2006 20:30:16 -0700
fgoodwin wrote:> Why Don't Kids Do Chores Anymore?>> http://www.careerjournal.com/myc/workfamily/20050701-opdyke.html> http://tinyurl.com/gwrn8>> By Jeff Opdyke>> >From The Wall Street Journal Online>> When I was growing up, I spent many summer days struggling to shove a> bulky Toro mower through the thick mat of grass that was my yard. That> was my main weekly chore. I pushed that same mower around the> neighborhood with my buddy, Mike, hawking lawn-cutting services for $10> a yard.>> I mention this because I've noticed something peculiar while driving> around town in recent weeks: Though it's summer, I've yet to see a> single kid out mowing a lawn. I don't see any kid-produced signs> offering mowing services. I see teams of lawn-maintenance workers> neatly tending yards...but no kids.>> It's not just lawns, mind you. During our time in New Jersey, I don't> recall seeing any kids raking leaves in the fall. In three years not a> single kid stopped by our house offering to shovel the snow off the> driveway. I never hear my son's friends lamenting the chores they're> charged with after school or on weekends. All they ever do is ride> bikes or dash off to this practice or that game or some camp.>> I don't blame the kids. I blame the parents. Just because children may not be involved in doing yard work, itdoesn't mean they're not doing chores at all. (FWIW, my teenage son doesn't do lawn work because my lawn is the sizeof a postage stamp and my neighbor, who is retired, offered to mow mylawn when he does his. He charges a token amount for it and we bothget something out of it.) My son's pretty busy with indoor chores,school and a part time job (he's 16). I'm currently on medical leavefrom work with some physical limitations (stairs, lifting, etc) andhe's been a great help. I have no complaints about how he steps up and pitches in....even if hedoesn't do yard work. (though in the winter, he does shovel the walkand driveway and clears off the car -- does that count?) I think the author forgets that a house has an *inside* as well as anoutside.Leah
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